After a very interesting game, -the most exciting of the tournament- Magnus Carlsen has been defeated by Sergey Karjakin with blacks.
How have you experienced the game?
How have you experienced the game?
I cannot fathom this result... Carlsen overpressed clearly
With only 4 games left Sergey could be World Champion. He will be a hero in Russia.
It's further confirmation - 2016 is indeed the year in which anything is possible. Karjakin, here's your chance! Go go go!
I think a more accurate synopsis of the game was, "Magnus Carlsen has been defeated by Magnus Carlsen."
Karjakin's strategy of trying to turn every game into a dead draw is terrible from an observer perspective but is, unfortunately, seeming effective from a match strategy. Carlsen is feeling obligated to push far harder than he would or should. It's dangerous to take so many risks to try to make a 2770 to play chess when he's doing everything to avoid it. This is made even worse by the fact that Carlsen himself is also clearly not playing anywhere near his A-game having already missed multiple wins. Even in this game after his insane risks leaving him with a dubious position Carlsen had numerous opportunities to draw, but he missed them.
Karjakin's strategy of trying to turn every game into a dead draw is terrible from an observer perspective but is, unfortunately, seeming effective from a match strategy. Carlsen is feeling obligated to push far harder than he would or should. It's dangerous to take so many risks to try to make a 2770 to play chess when he's doing everything to avoid it. This is made even worse by the fact that Carlsen himself is also clearly not playing anywhere near his A-game having already missed multiple wins. Even in this game after his insane risks leaving him with a dubious position Carlsen had numerous opportunities to draw, but he missed them.
@LM OhNoMyPants fully agree. This Match is not about playing chess it is about not losing against Carlsen. Not good for Chess.
So will we have Lasker-Schlechter or will we have a Botvinnik-Saga?
So will we have Lasker-Schlechter or will we have a Botvinnik-Saga?
I think Carlsen is getting frustrated with Karjakin's playing strategy but that's what Karjakin wants.
Carlsen wants to express himself whilst Karjakin remains bland and non emotional.
But that's the way it is. This win by Karjakin should wake Carlsen up so that he uses his whole brain and doesn't allow himself to be drawn into the Karjakin vacuum.
I hope Carlsen wins.
Carlsen wants to express himself whilst Karjakin remains bland and non emotional.
But that's the way it is. This win by Karjakin should wake Carlsen up so that he uses his whole brain and doesn't allow himself to be drawn into the Karjakin vacuum.
I hope Carlsen wins.
Hello there;
@LM OhNoMyPants:
Well, it is a fact that Carlsen has been defeated. Using inversed retoric is not going to justify Magnus' terrible moves. Karjakin always has been a solid and defensive chess player; Carlsen attacked, he defended and crushed the WCC, that's the fact and that's the fact and that's What we should debate about. Ti understand this we have to return to the Kasoarov-Kramnik's match, where a posicional and a very solid style by Kramnik made fall all aggresive initiative made by Kasparov. It is about styles, and usually, a style defeats others.
@SelfmateMan
I really cannot stand this retoric. Defending what cannot be defended. It is not about Karjakin, because he always had the same style and he did not change it with Carlsen. It is about Carlsen lost because he, with moves, gave the victory to Karjakin. Chess is an objective game, with determined styles and thinkings.
"It is about not losing against Carlsen", well, firstly, Carlsen has been defeated, and secondly, Carlsen has very good positions that he could not exploit, so Karjakin -Hardly, because it could have been a draw- did and now he has the advantage, with the possibility to be 17th World Chess Champion.
Chess is an objective game, so do not talk about it as a philosophy school.
@LM OhNoMyPants:
Well, it is a fact that Carlsen has been defeated. Using inversed retoric is not going to justify Magnus' terrible moves. Karjakin always has been a solid and defensive chess player; Carlsen attacked, he defended and crushed the WCC, that's the fact and that's the fact and that's What we should debate about. Ti understand this we have to return to the Kasoarov-Kramnik's match, where a posicional and a very solid style by Kramnik made fall all aggresive initiative made by Kasparov. It is about styles, and usually, a style defeats others.
@SelfmateMan
I really cannot stand this retoric. Defending what cannot be defended. It is not about Karjakin, because he always had the same style and he did not change it with Carlsen. It is about Carlsen lost because he, with moves, gave the victory to Karjakin. Chess is an objective game, with determined styles and thinkings.
"It is about not losing against Carlsen", well, firstly, Carlsen has been defeated, and secondly, Carlsen has very good positions that he could not exploit, so Karjakin -Hardly, because it could have been a draw- did and now he has the advantage, with the possibility to be 17th World Chess Champion.
Chess is an objective game, so do not talk about it as a philosophy school.
@GM Zahier im referring to Karjakin doing what is called 'camping' in ego shooters. Kramnik did not do that against Kaspy. He played openings which did not fit Kaspys style, thats another thing. And he showed new ideas. against 1.e4 and against the Gruenfeld.
Karjakin is simply exchanging all pieces and goes for a draw. At least thats my impression. Thats valid but i dont want to have such a World Champion because i want an interesting player who tries to win, not just not to lose.
On the other hand its true that Carlsen does not play his usual chess currently. Hopefully he relaxes and starts doing the Carlsen thing.
Karjakin is simply exchanging all pieces and goes for a draw. At least thats my impression. Thats valid but i dont want to have such a World Champion because i want an interesting player who tries to win, not just not to lose.
On the other hand its true that Carlsen does not play his usual chess currently. Hopefully he relaxes and starts doing the Carlsen thing.
I think karjakin style is uncomfortable for carlsen, karjakin has managed to win the mental battle I think. If we look at the big picture, yes karjakin did maybe play solid and defensive ( which is his style) but this did work well because it frustrated magnus and tempted him to go for it and magnus ended up overpushing and losing, it was more of carlsen losing than karjakin winning but this also shows that karjakins strategy won. Now I think the match is in a very exciting point, it will be seen if magnus can keep his nerve and make a comeback or karjakin can keep his lead and manage to win the match, I do think the next 4 games will be very exciting and maybe magnus shall play something sharp, but uptil now I can say congrats karjakin for holding the nerve and winning with black landing the first punch in the game!
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